‘ You’ve got to carry on that fight ‘: strangers swap life-changing knows

How does it feel to campaign against racism, “ve been coming”, have an abortion or lose a parent to suicide? People who went through the same things, years apart, share their stories

‘ The biggest achievement of the anti-abortion lobby is attaining girls feel guilty’

Sam , 26, and Diane Munday, 88, had abortions five decades apart

Sam and Diane are sitting in Diane’s front room in Hertfordshire, hands warmed by mugs of coffee, chit-chat as if they are old friends. In fact, they have just congregated, brought together by their similar personal and political know-hows, which has just taken place some 50 years apart.

” Back in the 1960 s , none has spoken about abortion. It was a word that was never said, never written ,” says Diane. When her dressmaker and friend, married with three young children, died from a backstreet abortion,” it knocked me between the eyes ,” she says. She thought of her again when, married with three children herself, she got pregnant at 29:” I knew the time that maternity affirmed that I wasn’t going to continue with it. I had reached my limit in my events .”

Her choice, in 1961, was between an illegal abortion, and paying a doctor to say that a legal end was necessary for health concludes; she opted for the latter. Diane’s abortion took place on Harley Street in London.” Oddly, I came round from the anaesthetic remembering the young woman who died. She was dead and I was alive because my husband and I, borrowing from my mother, could yield an abortion. I told us to myself:’ I will fight for other women to have the privilege of being able to control their own fertility .'” Diane went on to play a key role in helping to change the law:” And here you interpret me, aged 88, still opposing .”

She turns to Sam:” So tell me about your experience .” Sam interprets, that after she suffered horrid side-effects from hormonal contraception she and her then-boyfriend tried natural family planning, which flunked.” The first time I was pregnant, two summers ago, I was terrified. I didn’t have a stable tie-in, a good job, a proper dwelling I could grow a child in. I was too young .” Diane answers, gently:” It wasn’t right for you .”

Thanks to activists such as Diane, who fought for the Abortion Act 1967, Sam had a legal end at a Marie Stopes clinic.” I decided to have a surgical abortion under general anaesthetic because I was so afraid, but it was fine ,” she says.” The only hour I actually felt scared was going through to the operating theatre. I started to cry, and asked someone to hold my hand. Then I was out.

” There’s still a lot of stillnes. I experienced the stillnes so suffocating, I decided to talk about it on Twitter. I was scared of anti-choicers harassing me, but within a few hours at least 40 people had messaged me, committing their reinforcement. It was mostly women who’d had abortions, saying they had never spoken about this before, that their own families didn’t know .”

Sam is outraged to hear that Diane had a similar experience, half a hundred years ago. She met the Abortion Law Reform Association( now Abortion Rights ), in 1962:” The first public convene I spoke at, I moved in shiver. They were respectable dames wearing hats and gauntlets. I stood up and said,’ I have had an abortion .’ During the tea delay these ladies came up to me, one after the other, saying,’ You know dear, I had an abortion back in the 30 s, I’ve never told anybody before .’ I wasn’t alone .”

Despite Sam’s openness, she still felt a sense of shame when she needed a second abortion after disaster contraception neglected; by now, she says,” I knew the relationship was not one that I could have a child within .”

” Again, you made a responsible decision ,” Diane reassures her.” I genuinely think it’s the biggest achievement of the anti-abortion lobby: doing women found guilty .”

Diane drank only half a glass of champagne when abortion was partially legalised in 1967, and is still waiting to drink another half glass: she says she will not rest until it is legal for everyone. Sam, who expeditions for Marie Stopes, agrees:” The only thing left now is for abortion to be taken out of criminal law and be treated as a healthcare issue across the UK, including Northern Ireland. It’s for us to continue the work. I’m so grateful that you all crusade so hard for us to have those rights ,” she tells Diane.

Diane smiles.” That obligates me feel very happy. There are only a couple of us early innovators left now – you’ve got to carry that combat on for other women .”

Sam has rends reeling down her necks.” Do you crave another coffee ?” requests Diane, gently.

‘ We’re hearing the exact same innuendoes and events as we did 40 years ago ‘

Roxy Legane, 28, and Nona Ferdon, 91, civil rights activists

‘ In the UK, we’re good at covering up our racism ‘: Roxy Legane and Nona Ferdon. Photograph: Kensington Leverne/ The Guardian

Midway through their discussion, Nona Ferdon proudly indicates Roxy Legane a photo of her standing with Martin Luther King Jr, draws that were taken on a progress from Selma to Montgomery in 1965. Nona explains how, as a clinical psychologist working in Hawaii, she was part of a medical gang that connected the civil rights demonstration.

” The flavor was very tense ,” she says.” Two weeks before, beings had been stampeded with ponies and policemen. We collected around at a chapel, and it was the first time I discover We Shall Overcome. The second ballad was:’ Black and white together, we shall overcome .’ That was very much the feeling .” Her sees brightened as she talks.

Five decades later, Roxy is combating intolerance- and, as a woman of colour, suffering it. She works with anti-racist groups and leads the community project Kids of Colour in Manchester. Her own recalls of racism go back to childhood.” My dad wasn’t welcome at my mum’s mothers’ residence. He was from Mauritius, and they were white, and thought he couldn’t offer what they craved for her, and for me there was racism wrapped up in that.[ Also] grown up in a primarily grey environment, being around lots of micro-aggressions .” She tells Nona that progress feels slow.” Last time I put one over an incident about racism in the area of education, and a 13 -year-old talked about his experiences of violence and suppression at institution. Older beings in the chamber were saying,’ We’re hearing the same insinuations and experiences that we heard 40 year ago .’ That is offending and forestalling .” She describes being contacted by a father whose seven-year-old, a mixed-race child, was spat at by a grey child of the same age, and told she could not play with white children; and meeting young people of colour who, flattened by the oppression they face, say,” I merely want to be white-hot .”

Nona agrees that progress is slow. But, she says,” There ought to have enormous the changing nature of the US. I remember the day the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965, people of colour curved around, block after block, trying to vote .” Before this, the government has been prevented from voting because they had flunked impossible, purposely obtuse literacy measures that included questions such as, How many foams in a rail of soap ?, she justifies. While Nona still feels the outlook is dismal, with Trump in the White House, she tells Roxy:” Please believe me, there have already been such massive modifications. If you could put your mind back into 1950- it was a different world .”

” I feel aware of how far we’ve come ,” Roxy says.” But similarly aware of how much there is to be done. In the UK, we’re good at covered under our intolerance- but it can be seen in who is most likely to have poor housing, or is in accordance with the prison system, or unemployed, and that comes back to people of colour. We look at the US and think: how can they do that to migrant children? But we split up and destroy households here, too .”

When Roxy talks of how drained and helpless she can feel, Nona encourages her to talk, to take care of herself.” You’ve got to have someone you can sit down with and say,’ My God, you won’t believe what he told us to me …'” She lends,” I’ve tried to educate my grandchildren this: every day you live is a footstep in tomorrow, and a brick in the person or persons you are willing to .”

Once the conversation has drew attention to a close, Nona’s daughter takes us to visit the 10 leonberger puppies they have multiplied.” Now this is something that I call self-care ,” says Roxy, as she holds one close.

‘ I was 19 and I’d drive to work crying my sees out’

Alex Evans, 45, and Paul McGregor, 29, lost their leaders to suicide, 18 times apart

‘ There was emphatically a stigma ‘: Alex Evans and Paul McGregor. Photograph: Kensington Leverne/ The Guardian

When commercial-grade administrator Alex Evans, 45, fills entrepreneur Paul McGregor, 29, at the Guardian’s offices, it seems from the outside like an everyday business meeting, all handshakes and nice-to-meet-yous. But in the area there is a tension, as if we are all impounding our breath.

Paul, his articulation steady, becomes first.” “Peoples lives” was straightforward until I was about 18. I grew up in Essex with my parents and older brother. I was quite academic at institution, played a lot of football. My mum and dad were childhood sweethearts. On the outside it was like a glad lineage. But when I was 18, my father only break. His sees were distant, he was saying things- we didn’t know what to do .” After taking antidepressants and being admitted to a psychiatric hospital, he killed himself on 4 March 2009, at persons under the age of 45.

Paul now tells his legend at incidents to raise awareness of mental health editions; but Alex, from Sussex, has not spoken at length about his father’s death before.” My lineage was broken ,” he begins. His father was an alcoholic, and in its first year before his suicide he lost his driving licence, his activity, and the phone was detached. He kill herself on 29 October 1991, aged 44, when Alex was away with friends.

Before leaving for that expedition, Alex says,” I got home after my Saturday shift at McDonald’s, and encountered Dad asleep, slumped in the angle of the kitchen, utterly paralytic, all the dirty dishes piled up. I “ve tried to” wake him and he went for me. He kneed me in the dances, tried to headbutt me .” His brother broke up the fight.” The passion burst. I was outside, crying and angry. Something inside snapped and I said,’ I’m never going to cry about this again .'” His jaw clenches as he explains what happened next: his father tried to apologise, but Alex slammed the door and trod out. That was the last time they accompanied each other.

Paul, the younger man, recognizes the link between their experiences.” I think you’ve probably improved yourself not to show your feelings. But as you were talking, one feeling came through that I can relate to massively, and that’s guilt. As you were talking about what you didn’t do, I could see you starting to well up. It’s the same with me .”

Both humanities invested their young adulthood hiding their sorrow.” I was 19, and I’d drive to work crying my sees out ,” says Paul.” Then I’d working on this, and it was:’ Everyone all right ?’ and then I’d get back in the car and cry .”

” In the year or two afterwards, I was the archetypal furiou young man ,” says Alex.” I had my head scraped, a big gold earring, I was like a red fog on a hair trigger. A plenty of parties saw this horrible male when I was out- and then I’d be in bed weeping, with no one to offload on to .”

While Paul knew a therapist, Alex has never felt able to.” My wife says,’ You’re so unemotional, Alex .’ She doesn’t see that sometimes when she goes to bed, I get some age-old photo albums out, with the suicide character. I can get quite weepy, and I feel very lucid in myself about my feelings. I can have discussions with myself about how I feel. But when she walks in, I’ll freeze. We have no secrets and I love her affectionately, but I still find it hard to let go .”

Both agree that social positions around mental health have changed for the better- but not around suicide.” There was surely a stigma ,” says Alex.” I always joked about it: when people asked how he died, I’d say,’ The customary course- he stopped breathing .’ I be applicable to hate myself for doing that .”

Paul reputes little had changed by 2009.” I remember my pa saying’ Be careful near the local mental hospital, because there’s loads of maniacs and nutters that might be round there ,'” he says.” If that’s what he was stated to believe, then that’s probably why he was silent for so long .”

When Paul asks how it felt this year to outlive the age at which his father died, Alex says that he felt as if a weight had been lifted.” I’ve almost discover it’s freed me up a bit. I’m writing my own narrative now. I’ve got past the point where he was, and it’s uncharted area .”

For Paul, it is talking that has been freeing.” But that doesn’t mean I’ve dealt with it- there are still times when it’s horrible ,” he says. Alex concurs.” Part of me feels- even knows, deep down- that you never get over it. There’s something about it that simply wrenches you. But this is the longest I’ve expend talking about it. It’s part of the feeling that the road please open .”

‘ Gay marriage is a symbol; it’s society trying to do better

Tochi Onuora, 20, and Jean Thomson, 90, were both outed at academy

‘ There to be a feeling that this isn’t quite OK ‘: Tochi Onuora and Jean Thomson. Photograph: Kensington Leverne/ The Guardian

Sitting in his host’s living room, surrounded by her books and newspapers, Tochi is telling Jean what it was like being outed at academy, 70 times after she was. He was 13 and had come out to close friends when, unexpectedly, everyone seemed to know he was gay.” I had a support network, and people’s reactions weren’t bad, so I was fine- relieved, nearly. But I don’t think that’s the usual experience ,” he says.

It was not Jean’s experience: at 12, she fallen in love with a girl of 14 at her Scottish boarding school.” She was going to be a musician, and if you had some time off during the day you could go and see her practising the forte-piano .” Love documents between this musician and a few other girls were discovered in their underwear drawers. Her voice falls as she describes the painful institution disciplinary process that followed, in which Jean was forced to admit they had caressed.” I was called as a witness. It was humbling. She didn’t play the piano after that. It was a dreadful thing to do to her, and it was a cruel thing to happen to me, extremely. I never actually recovered ,” she says.

Jean feels an long-suffering appreciation of solitude. Tochi’s experience of growing up gay has been less lonely, he says, in part because of technology.” I have a sense of being different, but I’m an ethnic minority, as well, so I’m not unused to that. Then again, I’ve grown up with the internet, and if I hear something negative and I want to find reassurance, I’ll do some study. And then I can say, actually, I’ve speak these 10 sections and seen this person talking about it on YouTube. I might hear someone has posted on my university’s LGBT+ social media canals, and I’d feel comfortable approaching them in real life. It’s less isolating .”

Jean tells of a season in her life when she also encountered their home communities. While lesbianism was not illegal- unlike male homosexuality, which was only partially decriminalised in 1967- it still felt that way. Jean’s spokesperson lifts as she describes developing a halo of lesbian females friends through the Minority Research Group, worded in London in 1963.” I read an advertisement for it, and recognised that it was a gay thing .” There she fulfilled two women activists, Esme Langley and Diana Chapman, who” had decided there were too many isolated gay women. Maidens from all over the country flocked there; it was really the beginning of the gay women’s movement .”

Jean asks Tochi how the history of the criminalisation of homosexuality changes him.” At school, I knew if someone said something homophobic, I could go to a teacher ,” he says.” I think that advantage of not having to think about it on a law level is very different. But there is still a feeling that this isn’t quite OK, and that means you might delay coming out, or only get very good at performing.

” Sometimes, at a time when some of the law versions of discrimination have been addressed, it symbolizes, when you do complain about something, beings believed that they resolved it 15 year ago. But I still I feel I can’t go to certain places. When I realize a St George’s flag I cross the street, because I feel like that’s a symbol of someone who doesn’t agree with my universe. People think we solved racism and discrimination against LGBT parties. I’m like , no, we didn’t .”

Their looks differ on the issue of gay marriage: for Jean, it is” an pointless addition to the gay world. I don’t see any reason to be the same as people who are having heterosexual partnerships .”

” I was really happy about it ,” says Tochi.” It’s society recognising that it hasn’t been good enough, and trying to do better for LGBT beings .”

” I recall things have changed quite considerably, but it’s still difficult ,” says Jean.” I don’t think I could have had this conversation with a homosexual humanity 20 years ago- there would have been much more of a sense of danger about everything is .”

Tochi chortles.” Twenty years ago! That’s when I was born .”

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